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« on: December 20, 2005, 12:49:12 am »
O formatie antica pentru ce s-a discutat pana acum in aceasta arie, dar pentru mine au ramas la fel si astazi. Cred ca este indreptatit ce se spune despre ei, ca au revolutionat muzica rock. Sunt curios cati mai asculta astazi Black Sabbath. Dupa ce a plecat Ozzy, formatia nu a mai fost aceeasi, insa cu exceptia albumului Heaven and Hell, extraordinar dupa parerea mea  ;)
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2005, 12:57:43 am »
Nu este antica, mai degraba perena!Sunt tare curios daca vreuna din formatilie despre care se discuta pe acilea va da dovada de aceeasi longevitate!Si dupa plecarea lui Ozzy formatia a prestat destul de bine!Au schimbat oleaca tonalitatile si linia melodica, dar au ramas printre cei buni(si asta este putin spus)!   8)
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2005, 06:25:25 pm »
acum asult si black sabbath so ozzy; parerea mea e ca black sabbath in mod sigur a revolutionat genurile muzicale; ei sunt taticii heavy metalului
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2005, 06:36:33 pm »
 Da de ce dreaq stiam io ca ozzy si black sabbath canta hard rock ? :-/
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2005, 08:34:40 pm »
Quote from: anuntmortuar on December 20, 2005, 06:36:33 pm
Da de ce dreaq stiam io ca ozzy si black sabbath canta hard rock ? :-/


heavy traditional doom metalﾃつ  ;D
Probabil o stiai de la vecini! Consulta arhivele, nu te repezii ca tauru!ﾃつ  8)
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2005, 08:37:20 pm »
proto doom, mai bine
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2005, 08:51:16 pm »
 8) arhiva zicea numa de doom, ai alta sursa? ar fi interesant de stiut!  ;D
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2005, 09:03:24 pm »
O sa ma interesez...ok?..si nu la vecini
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2005, 10:39:34 pm »
"hand of doom" este piesa datorita careia zice toata lumea ca astia au inventat doom-ul, numai ca, doom-ul, in forma actuala, este cam departe dpdv muzica de respectiva "hand of doom" de la sabbath.
dar ea este un fel de "veriga-lipsa" (care nu'i tocma lipsa, da' asa e cliseul) intre hevi si doom.
deci sabbath, prin "hand of doom" sunt un fel de stramosi ai doom-ului
acu, pune manuta pe un dictionar si vezi ce'nseamna prefixu'  "proto"
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2005, 10:47:23 pm »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozzy_Ozborne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music
http://www.delafont.com/music_acts/ozzy-osbourne.htm
si eu am avut dreptate...este considerata si trupa de hard rock...
dar sincer chiar nu ma asteptam la faza cu "black sabbath trupa de heavy metal " ??? ???
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2005, 10:48:24 pm »
Quote from: Ozzy on December 20, 2005, 10:39:34 pm
"hand of doom" este piesa datorita careia zice toata lumea ca astia au inventat doom-ul, numai ca, doom-ul, in forma actuala, este cam departe dpdv muzica de respectiva "hand of doom" de la sabbath.
dar ea este un fel de "veriga-lipsa" (care nu'i tocma lipsa, da' asa e cliseul) intre hevi si doom.
deci sabbath, prin "hand of doom" sunt un fel de stramosi ai doom-ului
acu, pune manuta pe un dictionar si vezi ce'nseamna prefixu'ﾃつ  "proto"



aaaaaa! Pai astea sunt sofisme personale, ce nu ai spus asha! ﾃつ 8)
asta cu veriga lipsa e chiar tare!Trebuie inregistrata la O.S.I.M.! ﾃつ  8)
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2005, 10:50:15 pm »
Quote from: anuntmortuar on December 20, 2005, 10:47:23 pm
dar sincer chiar nu ma asteptam la faza cu "black sabbath trupa de heavy metal " ??? ???


Poate nu trupa de heavy metal in intelesul actual al expresiei, pentru ca atunci nu exista heavy metal  :)
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2005, 10:53:19 pm »
Quote from: anuntmortuar on December 20, 2005, 10:47:23 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozzy_Ozborne
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_rock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music
http://www.delafont.com/music_acts/ozzy-osbourne.htm
si eu am avut dreptate...este considerata si trupa de hard rock...
dar sincer chiar nu ma asteptam la faza cu "black sabbath trupa de heavy metal " ??? ???




Mah, acu shi cu sofismele lu ozzy, io zic sa ramana numa "protometal"
Incepem sa teoretizam de dragul de a teoretiza!
Nici cu wikipendia asta nu as merge inainte, ca e cam relativa! ﾃつ ;D
sau ca in arhive:
Genre(s)
Heavy/Traditional, Doom Metal
Lyrical theme(s)
Doom, Drugs, Life, Death, Religion
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2005, 11:03:32 pm »
Din cate stiu eu metalul are chirari rapide si ritmuri simple(se schimba destul de des ritmul)...iar hardul e mai ritmat si e slow(nu se schimba prea mult ritmul)
Si black sabbath in nici un caz nu canta fast


P.S. astea's pareri proprii(poate ma insel..dar in general mai am nevoie de o persoana ca sa ma insele)
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2005, 11:15:49 pm »
Quote from: anuntmortuar on December 20, 2005, 11:03:32 pm
Din cate stiu eu metalul are chirari rapide si ritmuri simple(se schimba destul de des ritmul)...


Adica My Dying Bride nu e metal?  ;D
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2005, 11:27:03 pm »
 8) io unul pun capat teoretizarilor shi bag un paranoid shi o bere!Hai salut!ﾃつ  ﾃつ ;D
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2005, 11:29:22 pm »
Corect!  ;)
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2005, 09:31:05 am »
Quote from: Ozzy on December 21, 2005, 08:39:45 am
crematory e prost, ca de obicei.
puteai macar sa pui mana pe un dictionar, sa vezi ce'i ala "sofism" si dup'aia sa postezi.

[ dar e mai comod sa mananci cac*t pe forum. ]


nimeni nu poate fi destept tot timpul!
Nu stiu de ce , da nu ma supara remarca ta matinala!
Cat despre coprofagie, mai draga prietene nu te intrec la capitolul asta.
Totushi, postul se restituie expeditorului pastrandu-se o copie!
Gud bai!
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2005, 10:04:48 am »
          nu va mai certati mai baieti.
          black sabbath sunt prea mari ca sa fie incadrati ;D
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2005, 10:49:53 am »
Quote from: mist of sorrow on December 21, 2005, 10:04:48 am
ﾃつ  ﾃつ  ﾃつ  ﾃつ  ﾃつ  nu va mai certati mai baieti.
ﾃつ  ﾃつ  ﾃつ  ﾃつ  ﾃつ 


eu nu ma cert, mai ales in postul craciunului.Nu fac decat sa raspund politicos unui prieten care in mod decent si cerebral s-a adresat persoanei mele pe forum!
Cat despre faptul ca "sunt prea mari ca sa fie incadrati" am rezerve.
Nimeni nu scapa de incadrari.
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2005, 11:25:13 am »
Quote from: dragos on December 20, 2005, 10:50:15 pm
Quote from: anuntmortuar on December 20, 2005, 10:47:23 pm
dar sincer chiar nu ma asteptam la faza cu "black sabbath trupa de heavy metal " ??? ???


Poate nu trupa de heavy metal in intelesul actual al expresiei, pentru ca atunci nu exista heavy metalﾃつ  :)


pai daca nu exista pe vremea aia trebuia sa fie cineva sa il inventeze
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2005, 11:33:46 am »
D-aia le-a si zis Aliath taticii heavy-ului...
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2005, 12:36:07 pm »
Black Sabbath: The Ozzy Osbourne Years
by Robert Conte
ﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ的n 1969 four youths from the factory town of Birmingham, England--Ozzy Osbourne, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler and Bill Ward--formed a group that would change music forever with their unique style of heavy metal.ﾃ｢竄ｬﾂ

For the Record: An Oral History of Black Sabbath
by Mike Stark

ﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ的t was only a year after Woodstock when people first started noticing a dark, brooding, overpowering kind of music theyﾃ｢竄ｬ邃｢d never heard before. It sounded as if some massive, sinister piece of industrial machinery had somehow been hammered into tune, while a banshee cried out lyrics from the deepest regions of hell. Once this new sound grabbed hold, millions of listeners couldnﾃ｢竄ｬ邃｢t get enough, on record and in concert. It quickly came to be known as ﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ塗eavy metalﾃ｢竄ｬﾂ--and it was invented by Black Sabbath. ﾃ｢竄ｬﾅ

....cam asha estem!

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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2005, 12:45:51 pm »
pe mine oarecum m-ai lamurit..daca imi spui si de unde ai luat chestia asta e chiar ok
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2005, 01:01:23 pm »
Quote from: anuntmortuar on December 21, 2005, 12:45:51 pm
pe mine oarecum m-ai lamurit..daca imi spui si de unde ai luat chestia asta e chiar ok



http://www.black-sabbath.com/books.html
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2005, 01:40:55 pm »
Fara discutie, sunt piatra de temelie pentru metale 8) . Heavy metal, doom, etc. - nu ar fi existat fara Black Sabbath.
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2005, 01:41:36 pm »
respect!
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2006, 04:36:27 pm »
Un soi de Alexandru cel Mare pentru istorie!!!
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2006, 04:47:38 pm »
este logic ca la vremea aia, cand le era luat un interviu ziceau hevi, hard roc, etc.
ca nu aveau de unde sa stie cate genuri or sa inspire genuri care in ziua de azi sunt foarte bine conturate.
ar fi fost corect sa zicem acum 30 ani ca sunt hevi. acum corect este ca sunt proto-doom.
pe undeva pe langa alchemy, dar astia din urma s-au inspirat din b.s.
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2006, 09:27:08 am »
Este una din trupele mele preferate! Ii ascult de cand am 6 ani (cand mio aratat unchiumiu Iron Man shi Electric Funeral am ramas mut)
Primele 6 albume cu Ozzy sunt geniale, chiar nu potzi spune care ii mai bun ca celalalt, numa dupa parerea mea, Vol. 4 ii putzin mai slab datorita pieselor Cornucopia shi Supernaut, care numi plac de nici o culoare, dar compenseaza cu Snowblind, Laguna Sunrise, Weels of Confusion, St. Vitus Dance.
Numi plac deloc albumele Tehnical Extasy shi Never Say Die
Periada cu Ian Gillian shi Max (nu mai shtiu cum), adica Born Again shi Seventh Star nus nushtiu ce... putzina atentzie merita piesele Disturbing The Priest shi Sphinx The Guardian.
Periada cu Dio este shi ea relative, albumele bune fiind Dehiminazer shi Heaven And Hell.
Perioada cu Tony Martin este slaba. Norac cu albumele Tyr (un album chiar dragutz), Headless Cross, shi juma din Forbidden
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2006, 06:26:15 pm »
Quote from: dragos on December 20, 2005, 12:49:12 am
O formatie antica pentru ce s-a discutat pana acum in aceasta arie, dar pentru mine au ramas la fel si astazi. Cred ca este indreptatit ce se spune despre ei, ca au revolutionat muzica rock. Sunt curios cati mai asculta astazi Black Sabbath. Dupa ce a plecat Ozzy, formatia nu a mai fost aceeasi, insa cu exceptia albumului Heaven and Hell, extraordinar dupa parerea mea  ;)

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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2006, 07:22:12 pm »
Ocazional ..la mine e varza de obicei si am multe trupe dragi
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2006, 06:25:42 pm »
cu ozzy kiar suna bine trupa(ink o mel k paranoid km greu d incropit),dar mie imi place si cu Dio ;) dupa aceea kiar nu pot s comentez,k nu prea am mai ascultat,park nu prea imi zicea nik..
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2006, 11:02:18 pm »
eu sincer, ascult Black Sabbath de mic bebeu. tata mi-ia bagat in cap rockul si cu ei am cam crescut.... cate despre formula in care sunt si au fost, nu imi pasa atata timp cat muzica lur ramane una de calitate... zice eu ;D
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2006, 11:06:36 pm »
cu dio  nu mi-a prea placut... formula cu ozzy a fost ce mai tare, aidca omu era toata imagine trupei.
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2006, 02:36:22 pm »
Cui nu-i place cu Dio, asta este, dar iete stire:

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It's Official: DIO, IOMMI, BUTLER And WARD To Reunite As HEAVEN AND HELL - Oct. 25, 2006
A representative for BLACK SABBATH guitarist Tony Iommi has confirmed that the highly anticipated and much-rumored reunion of Iommi, Ronnie James Dio, Geezer Butler, and Bill Ward appears to be shaping up and taking a new form. After various promoters have approached the former SABBATH bandmates' respective representatives, the guys have started taking all of this very seriously, as they have aparently wanted to reunite for some time now. It looks as if the new shape may be that of HEAVEN AND HELL 窶 that is the moniker that the band is likely to use on their new venture. If all goes well, HEAVEN AND HELL should be hitting the road in early 2007.

In an August 16, 2006 appearance on the syndicated radio show "Rockline", Dio had the following to say about the possibility of further collaborations with BLACK SABBATH guitarist Tony Iommi:

"We've already written one [new] song together. The reason for that is that there's a release coming out, it's called 'Black Sabbath: The Dio Years' 窶 they've already done one, of course, 'Black Sabbath: The Ozzy Years'; that was the beginning and, really, the best part of it all 窶 but they've decided to do one, again, 'Black Sabbath: The Dio Years', and we wanted to make it a little but more special, not just give you things you've not heard from a live perspective. These are two things you'll never hear again 窶 two new songs. We are going to do that. It's been fun already. The one we've done 窶 the one that I've done with Tony has been really wonderful 窶 just great to realize how magnificent a player he was. You forget that after 10 years at a time that you don't work with someone. So we are gonna be doing that. And I hope you'll like it. I think it'll be great."

On the rumors of him possibly rejoining BLACK SABBATH, Dio said, "There's always rumors about everything 窶 about a RAINBOW reunion, about a BLACK SABBATH reunion. Our purpose was to do this because we wanted to have this product be a bit more special than anything else 窶 not just, 'Here's a live track you've never heard before.' I mean, that's cool, but I'm sure people have heard that. We wanted to do something a bit more special, so the whole band would write and play these songs, and窶ｦ They've wanted to hear them long enough, so here they are. But it's not anything that we've talked about leading to anything other than that. No, it's for that project."

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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2006, 04:45:37 pm »
sabbath cu dio sux...parerea mea...
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2006, 06:01:11 pm »
Quote from: Phaedrus on October 25, 2006, 04:45:37 pm
sabbath cu dio sux...parerea mea...

 Suna doar ...altfel.

 Ma numar printre cei care au pornit cu Black Sabbath pe meleagurile astea . Cred ca am fost baftos , prima caseta metal am avut-o de la Mishu (mg42) , alaturi de ceva Sepultura , trasa infect pe-o caseta mai batrana decat mine , si Cowboys from hell , o alta caseta veche ,cu coperta color (doar pe-o parte :D).
 Interesant e ca desi am lasat la urma Black Sabbathul un "best of Black Sabbath with Ozzy" , simtindu-ma clar mai atras de sonoritatile dure Pantera si Sepultura (deh , teribilismul asta) , am ajuns la un moment dat sa nu ma mai pot dezlipi de "wizard" "warpigs" "black sabbath" "iron man". M-au fascinat si intr-o oarecare masura au creat o stare de dependenta in mine. Ceva cu care sincer nu cred ca se mai poate lauda vreo alta trupa (de parca ar avea nevoie  ;D).
 Nu va spun ca am ajuns sa nu mai pot asculta caseta aceea , se deteriorase intr-un mare fel , dar am facut rost de intreaga discografie pe suporturi mai greu perisabile , alaturi de cateva concerte sabbath vechi si mai putin vechi.

 Black sabbath de pe albumul Black sabbath e in viziunea mea cea mai inspirata si complexa piesa metal a tuturor timpurilor , iar Wizard , cea mai "luminoasa".

 La buna reauzire.
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2006, 06:03:36 pm »
Imi place si mie mult Black Sabbath/Black Sabbath/Black Sabbath, dar n-as zice chiar ca e cea mai etc.
Poate cea mai buna a lor...
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2006, 02:17:02 pm »
Ce au scos dupa ce l-au dat afara pe Ozzy nu prea cunosc, dar cele cu ele sunt belea.
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2006, 02:22:00 pm »
Mie imi plac deopotriva si Ozzy si Dio. Si-au lasat amprenta ambii in ceea ce se numeste Black Sabbath. Ceea ce conteaza cel mai mult.
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2007, 11:43:54 am »
ce sa zic tipii chiar sunt tari eu sincer nu prea ascult....piesa mea favorita pe care o ascult e "iron men"
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2007, 09:03:00 am »
"Iron man" se cheama de fapt. Si eu cred ca au fost tari. Acum nu stiu cati ii mai asculta, mai mult nostalgicii.
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2007, 12:06:38 pm »
daca tot erati la iron man: intr-un top vh1 a fost considerata cea mai buna piesa metal din toate timpurile
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2007, 12:31:57 pm »
subiectiv....
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2007, 12:35:16 pm »
fara indoiala! unii nici nu o vad o piesa metal veritabila, ba daca o asculti ai spune ca e o balada dar e un pionierat in materie de mesaj
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2007, 05:59:52 am »

  Capitolul BLACK SABBATH l-am inceput pe cand aveam 5 anisori(tatal meu avea ceva benzi ORWO cu...)si s-a lichit di mini...si nu pot scapa di ea bre. ;D
  Cat despre Ozzy/R.J.Dio ...fiecare isi are stilul sau vocal ...dar cand spui BLACK SABBATH spui in primul rand Ozzy ;D
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2007, 05:42:11 pm »
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2007, 12:55:38 am »
Quote from: 3Deep on February 25, 2007, 05:42:11 pm
Pt fani http://www.blacksabbathresurrection.com/


Ce poti face pe site-ul ala e ca poti sa asculti cateva melodii in rest nimic.Efectele alea nu stiu daca erau necesare.
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Re: Black Sabbath
« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2007, 01:00:53 pm »
Black Sabbath-ul cu Ozzy = cea mai buna trupa de heavy metal. dpmdv [din punctul meu de vedere]

de ce?
1. sunt taticii heavy metal-ului.
2. au in spate o cariere de aproape 40 de ani  :o
3. niciodata nu s-au schimbat pt bani/comercialitate. au cantat ce le-a placut adica HEAVY METAL.

despre faza cu genurile, dupa mine e cam asa:
Black Sabbath - dark blues rock
Paranoid - dark blues metal
iar de la Master of Reality pana la Forbidden HEAVY METAL.

stiu ca suna ciudat termenul de "dark blues" dar dupa mn e un termen perfect sa descrie ce a cantat Sabbath la inceput.
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